Comments on: Privacy, Google, Scroogle, and You http://www.tssci-security.com/archives/2008/04/03/privacy-google-scroogle-and-you/ top secret/secure computing information Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:27:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Marcin http://www.tssci-security.com/archives/2008/04/03/privacy-google-scroogle-and-you/#comment-5536 Marcin Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:07:55 +0000 http://www.tssci-security.com/archives/2008/04/03/privacy-google-scroogle-and-you/#comment-5536 Roger, Shoaib: No matter how well intentioned this information gathering done by companies is, I simply do not trust companies to forever use it while respecting my privacy on my terms. The fact of the matter is, neither I nor you, can tell these companies to disclose the information they gather on you, let alone delete or modify it for correctness! Thanks, but no thanks. Roger, Shoaib:

No matter how well intentioned this information gathering done by companies is, I simply do not trust companies to forever use it while respecting my privacy on my terms. The fact of the matter is, neither I nor you, can tell these companies to disclose the information they gather on you, let alone delete or modify it for correctness!

Thanks, but no thanks.

]]> By: Shoaib Yousuf http://www.tssci-security.com/archives/2008/04/03/privacy-google-scroogle-and-you/#comment-5534 Shoaib Yousuf Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:34:33 +0000 http://www.tssci-security.com/archives/2008/04/03/privacy-google-scroogle-and-you/#comment-5534 Roger, I used to think that way too but recently I have changed my way of thinking in this matter because if I am giving away my thoughts through search queries to other organisations they are actually making money out of it, secondly I don’t trust companies that after taking my thoughts will they give me really what I want? Or what they want to give me? For example: I am looking for notebook review - they might have got paid from the manufacture and they know ppl are looking for this notebook. They might give review which they want to give me....so I think - thoughts are very important and we should give only if trust the search engine....After being in security its pretty hard to trust anyone thought :p Cheers Shoaib Roger,

I used to think that way too but recently I have changed my way of thinking in this matter because if I am giving away my thoughts through search queries to other organisations they are actually making money out of it, secondly I don’t trust companies that after taking my thoughts will they give me really what I want? Or what they want to give me?

For example: I am looking for notebook review - they might have got paid from the manufacture and they know ppl are looking for this notebook. They might give review which they want to give me….so I think - thoughts are very important and we should give only if trust the search engine….After being in security its pretty hard to trust anyone thought :p

Cheers

Shoaib

]]> By: Roger Halbheer http://www.tssci-security.com/archives/2008/04/03/privacy-google-scroogle-and-you/#comment-5485 Roger Halbheer Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:12:23 +0000 http://www.tssci-security.com/archives/2008/04/03/privacy-google-scroogle-and-you/#comment-5485 Hi Dre, nice thoughts. Personally I think that the problem will become very complex soon for different reasons: We as a society do not know really what we want. I might be able to give up some privacy to get a better service. I like it if Amazon sends me a mail with new books which match my profile etc. Additionally, I think I would like it if a search engine (knowing my usual areas of interest) could taylor the results to my needs. Would be great. How much am I willing to give up for this? I might not want to give too much (in my opinion they just have to know that I am the same person as the last time without knowing my PII). Sombody else might be willing to give more - so choice is important here (and eduction/training to understand the consequence). I think technology like U-Prove (which we, Microsoft, aquired recently) might change the game here as you can work with Identity Attriubtes only instead of the whole Identity. So targeted marketing might be possible wihtout having to know you. I would definitely be willing to give up that part of my privacy :-) Roger Hi Dre,
nice thoughts. Personally I think that the problem will become very complex soon for different reasons:
We as a society do not know really what we want. I might be able to give up some privacy to get a better service. I like it if Amazon sends me a mail with new books which match my profile etc. Additionally, I think I would like it if a search engine (knowing my usual areas of interest) could taylor the results to my needs. Would be great. How much am I willing to give up for this? I might not want to give too much (in my opinion they just have to know that I am the same person as the last time without knowing my PII). Sombody else might be willing to give more - so choice is important here (and eduction/training to understand the consequence).
I think technology like U-Prove (which we, Microsoft, aquired recently) might change the game here as you can work with Identity Attriubtes only instead of the whole Identity. So targeted marketing might be possible wihtout having to know you.
I would definitely be willing to give up that part of my privacy :-)
Roger

]]> By: Shoaib Yousuf http://www.tssci-security.com/archives/2008/04/03/privacy-google-scroogle-and-you/#comment-5482 Shoaib Yousuf Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:55:25 +0000 http://www.tssci-security.com/archives/2008/04/03/privacy-google-scroogle-and-you/#comment-5482 Hi Dre, Thanks for sharing a nice article. I agree it must-read one. I really liked the author idea where he mentioned : "Google should change its policies with regard to SSL and e-mail. At the very least, it should mention the secure Web mail option and provide a link on the main Gmail log-in page." Its a great idea. I agree search queries are very important but not many people and companies understand the impact of it as such now. Maybe in future they will get better understanding and then google might think of encryption. Cheers Shoaib Hi Dre,

Thanks for sharing a nice article. I agree it must-read one. I really liked the author idea where he mentioned :

“Google should change its policies with regard to SSL and e-mail. At the very least, it should mention the secure Web mail option and provide a link on the main Gmail log-in page.”

Its a great idea.

I agree search queries are very important but not many people and companies understand the impact of it as such now. Maybe in future they will get better understanding and then google might think of encryption.

Cheers

Shoaib

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